BS"D

Oki Ni-Kso-Ko-Wa (Greetings to all my relations).

I have listened with my heart to Russell Means Weekend videos.

All that he says I take to heart.

This last (Weekend 24) video he says Islam is misunderstood and that Christians willfully murder non-Christians. In my personal experience I have seen those who profess Islam willfully murder innocent non-Islamic peoples with the words allahu-akhbar (praise god) on their lips.

I also heard him say that the Christian Old Testament is the Jewish Torah. Again, in my personal experience I have found that the Old Testament is as different from the Torah as the United Stated Constitution is different from the Iroquois Articles of Confederation of Nations. Both newer works were equally plagiarized by non-indigenous peoples nearly verbatim from their indigenous authored originals and twisted to justify terrible atrocities.

Russell Means speaks of honor among those of the Republic of Lakota. He supports the release of Leonard Peltier. Then he goes and discusses at length the war between the Jews in Israel and the Palestinian peoples. But he never mentions that the Palestinian peoples were never indigenous to the land. He never mentions that the nation of Palestine did not exist until it was created through the expulsion of the indigenous Jewish inhabitants by the Roman Empire. How can one support freeing Peltier from unjust imprisonment and at the same time support Palestinian unjust claim to the land which are as legally binding as the white man's claim to all of Turtle Island?

I agree with his criticism of all the atrocities perpetrated by Israel. I disagree with his marginalizing the murder of innocent Jews (and Islamic peoples as well) by Palestinians on the pretext that they are suffering so much. It seems like Russell Means has declared, like many of the Christians do that the Jewish claims on their ancestral homeland - named for the blood of the Jewish people (adamah = red earth) thousands of years before either Christianity or Islam ever existed, named for the Jewish ancestor (eretz yisroel = land of Israel) - are null and void.

BS"D

My "challenge" is for Russell Means to stay "honorable" equally in all his dealings with those outside of the ROL. If he feels unduly oppressed by the American Christian Right he should NOT take it out on the Jewish Israelis.

There are Jewish Israelis who fight for Palestinians rights and Palestinian Statehood. Why does Russel Means not mention that?

If the ROL is truly to be a beacon of freedom to all nations, its primary spokesperson should probably not be in the habit of propagating damaging stereotypes of Jews authored by Christians and Islamic peoples. But that is just my personal notion of honor. Perhaps Russell Means follows some other idea whereby it is honorable to embrace stereotypes of peoples indigenous to lands outside of Turtle Island when they are taught by those who oppress the ROL itself?

I am hoping this is not intentional but only due to a lack of perspective. Maybe having a Blackfoot and a Jewish father allows me to see things beyond that of a Lakota who knows nothing other than the lies about Jews as espoused by Christians and Islamic peoples repeating and teaching them to their children?

But that depends largely upon one's own notion of honor.

I assume Russell Means to be an honorable man. His response or lack of response to this challenge will demonstrate that publicly. To broad-brush an entire nation or religion with half-truths and lies is not honorable. There are good people among the children of our common oppressors.

One cannot be faulted for what they do not know. But now that you know, what will you do?

BS"D

And who exactly is "you people?" Who are you and what are you trying to say?

Look around. It is already a big mess. You are right about the heart. But where is the rest? Can a heart survive dismembered? This is not a war between the indigenous peoples and the invaders. If it were, Russell would not side with the Palestinian invaders. It is about being real human beings to each other. THAT is where the heart of Russell's message was I believe. But now it is severely off-track fighting white-mans wars outside of Turtle Island. No good can come of it. Unity with all does not come from ignorance or repeating racial stereotypes. That is why we are where we are. Let the good heart speak words of true peace, not inciting others to further war. Unless, of course, that is what you really want.

The road to dishonor is when the warrior makes an excuse for a dishonorable act. When a warrior proclaims to the world it is OK to murder a civilian in one case while it is a war crime in another - that warrior has destroyed the meaning of honor and the heart of the world might as well be dead.

If the children of the Earth Mother desire to kill each other - maybe they should stop their insane hatred for their differences and listen to the heart of the Earth Mother. That is where the warrior is born and without it there is no life worth living and no hope for the future. We make peace or war first in our hearts. To repeat the lies and half-truths of the non-NDN is NOT the way of peace. You choose.

BS"D

And to Russell Means himself - you say you are proud that your father was baptised as 16 different kinds of Christian because "one of them might be right." I am equally as proud that my father was NEVER baptised as ANY kind of Christian because there can NEVER be any truth in the white man's religion. Your Islamic friends of whom you say you know many have not taught you anything "true." But they HAVE taught you to hate a people you do not know anything about. You go pray to Allah or to Jesus. As for me, I stand with Wovoka and hope to live to see your white gods folded up like so much garbage and whisked away from the face of a free Mother Earth. That is because white gods are not real - they are invented excuses to feel and act superior to all one's relations. I feel sorry for your dad that he was persuaded that one of those 16 lies "might be right" when he learned the authentic "right" (red) way from his own elders: that which you can see, feel, hear, taste and smell - only through those entrances does the spirit speak in dreams and visions and not from the contorted misunderstandings of an alien religion.

I do believe that Russell only believes in Wankan Tanka(spelled right?) In my oppinion he was trying to show the absolute stupidity and christianity. For instance they teach the story of adam and eve when in Gen chap 5 it says god created male and female and named THEM ADAM (heb for man is adam) that's the king james version. within 5 chapters it contradicts itself 5 or 6 times if I recall correctly. It says He created male AND female from the dust of the earth then says he created woman from mans rib. it says he blessed them then it says he cursed them. it says he created only 2 they had 2 kids then there were villages. and that's just in the FIRST 5 CHAPTERS. King james version that is I have no idea what is in the Torah (spelled correct?)

Hehehehe...
That's fun.
This discussion can lead to great, perfect War.
Of Mind and Heart.
That may be greater purge for everyone.
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I've been taught by Rabbi in synagogue that Palestinians and Jewish are the same nation.
(I went to learn Hebrew so I can study Kabbalah or Qab-Allah (in '96-97)- I'm not Jewish http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalah)

And that Yeheshuah /Joshuah/Joshua(Jesus) was Palestinian.

(Son of Yehowah, YHWH=Tetragrammaton= combination of letters means exactly LOVE,
properly perfectly chanted, not spoken - vibration would/will connect ye straight with Creator.
Chant it bad -and all yer paryers going exactly opposite direction, feeding Dark Side.

So not YHVH - YHVH is derived from the root Hovah.
Which is where Jehovah comes from.
Hovah means evil, trickery. Creator would not have this as a name.

YHWH is derived from the root Havah. Which means To Be.

The Cherokee call Him YoWaH or when vowels are removed since they were not part of the original language.
We end up with YWH.
Or the form that the lost tribes used and have etched into stone in many places.
The common name most know is YeHoWaH or again once vowels are removed YHWH.
Another tribe, forget who, calls Him Yah Yah or as Psalm's tells us, Yah.

YHWH This is Creators name in the original picture language prior to the written language.
As we read in Enoch - the Fallen Ones is who formed the written word and led us astray unto such a path.

For a picture does speak a thousand words and it can only have one meaning.
Where words can have many.)

And that Bible (it means gatheres books, stories) and Quaran are two books about same story -
story about Creation and history of civilisations which lived on Earth before us and killed themselfs in terrible, advanced techniqe worldwar.
(thermosonic, atomic weapon and controlled Energy).
And he told me to also read Sanscrit one day, when I will find way to it.
To fulfill my knowledge about Tree of Life and meet ALL races - not only humankind.
And to see how Time flow in Circles -so if we don't get and understand this, that Knowledge -same thing will happen to US again.

And Torah is not the same as Old Testament (Testimony, story about Beginning and End).
Word "Torah" means "Laws of Creator".
So: Laws of Time, Kharma, Attracion, Analogy, Synergy...Laws of Universe.
http://www.lawoftime.org/home.html
Rules can be changed and broken. Rulez are made only by men.
Laws never changing. And they applying to everyone of us.
EVERYONE- Rocks, plants, animals, humankind, Universe.

And he also foretold that soon (he ment around decade - it gives us 2006-2007) harsh and painful time will come to all Izrael children - as they will become Kain to each other.
Brother will kill brother.

Not for land - as land belongs to everyone and is home for everyone.
And Jewish were Nomads - same as Palestinianas..and Natives and Dervish and...many more tribes/nations.
They never had THEIR state - only homeland they were travelling around.
And whole world was their homeland

But because of one Temple, one sacred place, one of strongest source of (their) Divine Power.
Spiritual Power.
Because EVERY RACE have own Sacred Place.

[Wise old Rabbi it was - I hope his soul shining how with Light and he's resting in shadow of YHWH wings. He died soon after few lessons -and there was no more lessons with new Rabbi. At least not for me. So I know only basics of Hebrew. Pity I was so young then and so blind - I wasn't able to see many things.]


Qui bono? Is fecit qui prodest ...

And fight will be harsh and hard - because this is so strong sacred place, spring of concentrated Might, Energy, Knowledge, point to connect with Universe - same as Black Hills and many others.
So it not like Jewish want it exactly.

WASICU /Hidden Nation/Illuminati/ D-Evil/ WhateverNameYeWantHere
- wants it, but thay cannot do it officialy.
It would be too obvious- so people would stop them.
So they using "Kain's mark".

It's not fight about land - beacuse land is everywhere the same - gives life, plants, animals, sources, food, place where ye can build yer home, raise yer childen.
Wherever ye will go.

Fight is about sacred places, which are giving POWER.
Spiritual power, Divine Energy to continue yer efforts and living on this planet, with this Planet...
Just like in playfield, battlegroud - it's getting, marking another bases.
Imagine what become if Dark Side will occupy, drain all sacred places and will use their power to feed Evil...

Well, whole idea of this war idea is as abstract as Natives from whole North America gathering to 'step on war path" against all Natives from South America (Maya, Hopi ect.) to exterminate them - because ONLY North Natives are TRUE Natives and only they have TRUE SACRED knowledge.
Absurd? Nonsense? Impossible?
Yes, but after many years of manipulation, deceiving, desecaration - it works terribly well for Izrael and Palestina.

[Did ye ever noticed that IZRAEL = RAZIEL? Find out who Raziel is. And find story of "Esthera/Estera"]

I will say - go to find "Do not touch this book" Jan van Helsing (nickname). For good start.
Read it (and other books) not as truth revealed - but as brave and adventurous journey to FIND Truth.
[Books of this man are forbidden from many years and he was describing all what happening now - from '90s.]

For Natives many things won't be new.
Some are still to be fulfilled, some to be connected.

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Also - ye say -

"Islam is misunderstood and that Christians willfully murder non-Christians. In my personal experience I have seen those who profess Islam willfully murder innocent non-Islamic peoples with the words allahu-akhbar (praise god) on their lips."

Bah!
"Gott mit uns!"- (main Nazi battleshout), 'Allah Akhbar!", "In Thy name, O God!", "For our God and our Country!", "Annuit cœptis", "God save/bless[...]" - "God" always was used in battles and to manipulate humankind...
Only intriguing question is - which God (God's name) ye/they mean exactly?
There was and there is plenty of them...

Being baptized as Christian?
Bonus from deceived parents.
Meaningless anyway.

When they Day will come - yer name won't be written in Book of Life for being baptized.
If it will be there - it will be because of what ye have done with and in yer Life.
For the path ye chosen. Love or Hate.
What ye will give - ye will get in return.
If ye will make others life hell- ye will find yerself in Hell.
If ye will use all yer might to give and share Love - Love will be given to ye.
ALL will come back to ye.

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RUSSELL supports the release of Leonard Peltier.
Then he goes and discusses at length the war between the Jews in Israel and the Palestinian peoples.
And he is perfectly right cause those two things are totally connected.

Both are needed to be solved.
Leonard MUST be freed ( I already expained why in other topic) ,
conflict must not turn into III World War.

Time to close this chapters and put it into Past.
Time to start new Chapter - Future in Peace.

Ordinary Israelis and Palestinians want peace...and live together.
But there is broad agreement that the settlements are a significant barrier to peace, a view also shared by a silent majority of the Israeli public.
Combined with a network of roadblocks and barriers, these colonies now blanket the West Bank, seizing territory and forcing Palestinians to live effectively as prisoners in smaller and smaller pockets.
Until this problem is tackled, it seems impossible to build a viable Palestinian state or any kind of lasting peace.
For Arab states deciding what more they themselves can do for peace, stopping the settlements has become a crucial test of Israel’s seriousness.

Will be hard.

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http://www.usatoday.com/(…)2009-06-04-Obama-text_N.htm…

I READ IT ALL SEVERAL TIMES.
I WANTED TO SEE WHERE IS THE CATCH.
This goddamn deadly catch for us.

"We have the power to make the world we seek, but only if we have the courage to make a new beginning, keeping in mind what has been written.

The Holy Quran tells us, "O mankind! We have created you male and a female; and we have made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another."

The Talmud tells us: "The whole of the Torah is for the purpose of promoting peace."

The Holy Bible tells us, "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God."

The people of the world can live together in peace.
We know that is God's vision. Now, that must be our work here on Earth."

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[Excuse me?

"WE have power on Earth to make world WE seek[..]
WE have courage to make new Beginning (Novus Ordo Seculorum I guess?), keeping in mind it was written?
Now, that must be OUR work here on Earth.
We know that is God's vision. (which God?!)"

Sir Obama, in yer mouth it sounds more than scary.
Especially WE know Truth is always hidden between two lies.]

I think THIS IS the catch.
To fool people more than ever.

Cause it great two-faced demagogy, saying out loud all people wish - end of War, end of disrespect based on most powerful thing -FAITH - to blind them.
Most significant - he knows perfectly- when he says this way about peace mixing&matching religious disguise- people cannot say nothing against him. They cannot debunk him.

Also:

And Joshua said: I saw Satan (Opponent), who came on Earth as "Lightning From Heaven"
Scary?
Yes, if ye look at this:

BARAK(hebr.)- "Lightning"
BAMA(hebr.)-"Heavens, From Above"
VAU(hebr.,O/U)connector means "from" or "with"

In brief:

BARAK/(vau)O/BAMA = "Lightning from Heaven" from Hebrew.

BARACK (C included)= "Blessed"

So we have "Blessed Lightning From Heavens Above" here...
Well - when ye check him out (birth date) he is BLESSED. In many ways.
Small problem is he uses his powers not excaly the way... we wish to see him using it.

Then :
6 January 2009 Fox News told that Secred Service
( than stricly looks nazi "Die Schutzstaffel der NSDAP"=SS)
called carelessly Obama's new limousine "The Beast".
AS we would need one more - La Bete in Brussels in not enough?!
(biggest computer on Earth conneteced with whole worldwideweb, containing all data from there.)

So "Renegate",The Leader, The Conquest now riding on/"in" a Beast.
Lovely.
And Three other Riders of Apocalypse already started their "need for speed" ride.

"Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse" = Conquest, War, Famine, and Death.
Iraq, Iran, Africa, swine flu, AIDS, hunger, GMO, Codex Alimentarius,concerns, camps, reservations, HAARP, made- up pandemia and disasters with greatest lie about"global warming"...and lot more.
Perfect cooperation:)
Unleashing the Wrath.
And spreading FEAR.

Guess it's time to kick them out from their saddles.
While is still time before slow descent into Madness.

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If ye'll tell me I'm wrong - then ye better prove ye're right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxkVaYlrfh8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkNxOQiZTUY

(in polite way, please )

My strongest medicine? Words written in in my heart - words like a drum beat - Mitakuye oyasin!
That beat I feel within my heart. Like the drum shall beat so my heart shall beat.
And I shall live a hundred thousand years.
Look at colors of drums in the video - white, black, yellow, red( races)..and green (Mother Earth).


I'm Heyókȟa.
A Sacred Clown, Raider of the Storm, Child of Lightning, Voice of Thunder.
A person who does not walk the normal path of life, who's backwards-forwards, upside-down, contrary in nature.
When someone say "don't do it" - I probably will , if someone says: "do it" - almost 100% sure I won't.
Well, until they ask me politely and explain me WHY I should or shouldn't.
I don’t care about taboos, rules, regulations, social norms, or boundaries.

Always asking "Why?" about sensitive topics - by doing so
- demonstrating concretely the theories of balance and imbalance.

Heyókȟa role is to penetrate deception, turn over rocks, and create a deeper awareness.
I done it many times and I won't hesitate to do it again.

Ye can ask any Elder, any Wičháša Wakȟáŋ, any Pȟežúta Wičháša - who is Heyókȟa.
They will tell ye the same.

So ye better don't make me scream until ye are sure ye can stand the Voice of Thunder,
to go out into Storm, dance in the Rain's tears to create Rainbow, catch the Lightning and ride on it...

***

We are born in a cage, given comfort and being entertained, being given a false reality.
They dont want us to be truely free, but we will always have a desire to be free.
We are still young and growing.
Eventually our consciousness will be mature enough get out of the box we're born in, and we will ALL be free.

Growing up is hard sometimes though, we are in for some difficult times.
WE ARE INFINITE LIGHT AND LOVE.

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To be perfectly clear - I'm all religions person.
Because they are all the same - when ye learn to read signs, symbols, teachings - they're...all connected.
And they complement one another.

Heh - I just checked Russell Means - Oyate Wacinyapin.
Great Power, great Spirit, marvelous Destiny
Ye will have hard time discussing/ dueling him.

I'll will watch that battle with pleasure:)

I have spoken.

First I want to thank all of you who have taken the interest to watch the Weekend Updates. I would hope some day you would realize that all the Weekend Updates put together make it very clear that I am not Anti-Christianity, Anti-Jewish, Anti-Palestinian, anti-Arab or Anti-inteigenous, or Anti-White or Anti-Brown or Anti-Polkadot. I AM Anti-Patriarch.

As I've stated many times, Patriarchy is over 6,000 years old, and it grew in fits and spurts for all that time, until it took over the world. Patriarchial religions, Patriarchal systems of any kind are just that. Its based on a pyramidal structure, with the male on top. Feminists have recognized this, as well as the indigenous people who are overwhelmingly matriarchal. But if you all want to come to grips with Patriarchy, please realize that throughout its entire existance, it has made the same mistakes, over and over and over again. The Patriarch, as I've also stated many times, still retains the caveman mentality of solving misunderstandings with a club. As Chief Seattle once said, "One must have respect for our relatives visions."

May the Great Mystery continue to guide and protect the paths of you and your loved ones.

~Russell Means

BS"D

Russell Means,

I respect your response and I support all these words you have just posted with all my heart. Anti-patriarchal - that is great wisdom. Nitsiniiyi'taki (thank you).

BS"D

LostWhiteBrother,

I can assure you what is in Torah is nothing like what is in the Chrisitan Bible except for the similar words. They are read differently and mean something different. I can teach you everything they mean if you want to email me - I am formally trained in that vast subject - but this is not a forum to discuss Torah (it would be unfair to everyone else), but I would rather you dedicate your heart and mind to the freedom that is in the red way. That is my way. It is the way of any who choose to live as free human beings on Turtle Island.

BS"D

Heyokha,

Your post encompasses much material and I will respond to it in several posts.

I begin with this. I am not a rabbi. I am not "ordained" as such by my peers. But I must point out the rabbi who taught you these things is ABSOLUTELY MISTAKEN! There is no truth in what that "rabbi" is represented as teaching you. Please provide me that one's contact information and I will attempt to set that one straight with the actual facts - unless of course this rabbi is a fraud and not really a rabbi at all in which case the teaching of these mistaken notions is meaningless - like an Alikchi pretender among the Chickasaw making false statements in public - it is wholly dishonorable and causes much damage.

2 things important: There is no such thing as Jesus in Torah. Never was and never will be. The Palestinians referred to in Talmud are all Jews. No Moslem is a genuine Palestinian in that context. The modern term Palestinian now exclusively refers to the displaced Arab squatters on Jewish ancestral land since Roman times. It has no relationship at all to the use of the term Palestinian in Talmud which refers exclusively to Jews and the notion of Moslems adopting that identity was never even considered at the time.

So I hope you can understand that Jewish Palestinians predated Moslem Palestinians by more than 1000 years. They are two completely different peoples and not at all the same except in the eyes of those who either do not know the history of the land or those who maliciously harbor an anti-Jewish agenda.

Your other points merit their own discussion and I will respond with my opinions as well. But this "rabbi" I am required by my tradition to personally correct - if he is indeed a rabbi at all.

BS"D

Heyokha,

There are two ways to learn Hebrew; from one whose ancestors spoke it and live it to this day or from an outsider who will lead you astray with a personal agenda. Israeli Hebrew is NOT my Hebrew. Neither is my Hebrew that of the scholarly Christians Brown, Driver and Briggs. I will be happy to point out a free site to assist you in learning all you want to know and answer and you will learn to read according to indigenous Jews from before the modern State of Israel invented their own version of it.

If you want to learn Jewish kabbalah I can point you to teachers. Christian and Moslem kaballah is NOT the same thing. Jewish kabbalah is our ancient tradition and wisdom. It is NOT magic. It is NOT prophecy for all mankind. It is a way of seeing all of Creation and working together with it as part of it as a Jew. We can only teach this face-to-face. Any other way of teaching is fraudulent because teaching our tradition incurs personal responsibility. So for a beginning I can direct you to genuine Jewish kabbalistic teachings but you must make a personal effort to learn from a living Jewish kabbalist or it will all be as useless as new age practice and just as damaging. In other words, you cannot learn real kabbalah if you do not desire to live as a Jew - you can only pretend and play games with it like "bible codes" or preposterous "heavenly speculation." This is because real kabbalah is real Jewish tradition, not Medieval Christian or Moslem mysticism. You choose whatever appeals to you.

BS"D

Heyokha,

The Tetragrammaton does NOT mean love in ANY legitimate translation. It means literally, "I will be what I will be." It is a wise-assed heyokah answer to Moses' preposterous question. It defines the Jewish god as a Great Mystery beyond human comprehension. It is NOT a title. It is NOT a derivative of the word love. It is a derivative of the VERB "to be." This is REAL Hebrew, not some made up amalgam. "God is Love" is a Christian definition, not a Jewish one. The Jewish definition was, is and always will be "the great mystery." Again if you want to know the truth about such things all you need do is ask. I know this because I am the last remaining person in my own family branch to pass on these things since Sinai. You have an opportunity to learn from the primary source tribe. Or you can simply ignore it and believe what you want. You choose.

The Tsalagi have their own notion of "god." It is far older than the Jewish notion and any semblance between the two is purely concidental and mostly due to the ignorance on the part of the non-Jewish translators of Hebrew.

BS"D

Heyokha,

Torah does NOT mean "Laws of the Creator." That is impossible. It means EXACTLY the same as the Arabic word Qu'ran. It means literally "recitations." It is Jewish recitations, NOT Moslem recitations and NOT Christian recitations. The word for Jewish tradition is "Kabbalas Torah" and literally means the "tradition" of our stories. Yes, it is the foundation of what you know as "kabbalah" but it has nothing to do with what you are currently studying which is clearly Christian "kabbalah" or more accurately Medieval Christian Mysticism. It is not the same thing as "kabbalas Torah."

This is interesting for in my studies in theology I have come across this same meaning for many Gods' names of various religions, peoples, and cultures from around the world. Speaking of one time being from an older belief that all people knew at some time. Or something that spanned the world in such a way as to find it's way into many people's lives. I do believe I have read of men who speaking of the One, speaking of him as the Great Mystery as well.

Jesus - he was a son of god, not The Son of God. Many Rabbi have spoken of themselves as such (this I do not know if true, but it was spoken of during the speaking of religious speakers during Theology studies, it rang true to my ears. Maybe being knowledgable of such, would you know of such spoken by rabbi?). He spoke of things as a man of belief will speak. He spread the word of generosity and selflessness. He was not a God born of woman. He was a man who spoke plainly and had a message.

BS"D

Heyokha,

Jews were NEVER nomads like the Bedawi with their own self-sustaining culture. Jews were mercenary warriors for hire contemporaneous to the Egyptian Empire at our founding as a people at Sinai. Jews were indigenous warriors conscripted by many conquering empires who passed through the area. Judaism is a religious codfication of our traditional warrior culture and that became the self-sustaining culture of the Jewish people in the Land of Israel a few thousand years ago. Jews are not typically warriors in the modern age except in the State of Israel. Judaism has largely evolved into a religion of peace as have all other ancient faiths before Western Civilization. Ironically, the warrior culture of the State of Israel is mostly of non-Jewish origins - the same as any modern State. Christianity and Islam have both re-interpreted Jewish origins to support their own cultural agendas - both of which depend entirely on demonizing the Jews. Sound familiar?

BS"D

RavenSaint,

In Judaism a "son of god" is ANY human being who personally and consciously participates in a positive way in Creation - promoting life and growth rather than death and destruction. In Torah it was a title for those "noble-born" who knew this tradition but were not always practicing it. In that regard Torah is a recount of responsibillity abdicated by those who are trained to be leaders. It is NOT a story of pre-human civilizations or angelic beings. It is simply ancient Jewish history told in an ancient mode of Hebrew story-telling. The modern equivalent would be a "just so" story or a tall-tale designed to endure as a teaching in the hearts and minds of the listeners. What is "real" to the Jewish people is different than what is "real" to Christians or Moslems reading the same story.

BS"D

Heyokha,

The mark of Cain is simply the mindset (observable pattern of behavior or M.O.) which is to murder a human being or destroy anything or anyone in creation for any personal reason. Many have the mark of Cain today. It is how the Jewish people designate murderers and terrorists even among their own people. It is not some mystical physical mark but a REAL identifiable pattern of behavior. It is what Jewish people are taught to avoid - zealotry in excess. I was born with a story that teaches this lesson in Torah so this is especially personal to me.

BS"D

Heyokha,

The "book of life" is a sacred symbol to the Jewish people and is part of the Jewish annual cycle of reckoning time. Jews say a person who survives another trip around the Sun is "written in the book of life" and those who perish that year are "blotted out." That is what it REALLY means. The rest is a fantasy perpetrated by non-Jews to further their own agenda.

So what was said at the school by the speakers at the theology class. Was essensially true then. The man who was Jesus was just trying to make the world a better place at the time. Possibly speaking of things that he had learned while growing up. People wanted hope and listened. It was the corrupt men (nobles, self stylized holy men, or wasicu) of that day and age that might have misinterpreted what he was calling himself. Which was why they chose a convicted killer to free, over a man who would die for being a peaceful man.

I know I might not have all the facts about things, but I try to figure out the meanings and the truth behind such saddening acts of culture that could cause people to hurt other people for no reason.

BS"D

RavenSaint,

I believe you are correct. I do not believe the Jesus of the Christians ever really existed, but if he did he would have been as you have described him.